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Is it the 'long' or short cert?

Xx moo xx

Hi, this is the long cert - many thanks

No long cert is official new one...

I know way back I was very disappointed with my 2's so I guess it is still showing 'adopted' all these politically correct years later.... Think its very unfair & judgmental.... so much so that if it said ethnicity/fat/old ....iykwim there would be a public outcry/outrage & it would be ammended quick smart!? ?

Enjoy your loxxx

Xx moo xx

Hi, staffsct. I can imagine your disappointment - early in adoption the claiming part is really important. I'm eight years in and it's all just become part of who we are as a family, slightly messy, but we are tight as anything. It may say adopted, but my 12 year old and I were having a conversation recently where he said, "I'm obviously meant to be in your family - if I was in (BM and BD's) family I'd be so out of place, it would be weird - I"m nothing like them". He thinks he looks more like us than his birth family (it's not quite true, but I'm happy!) and that his personality matches our family much more (definitely true - whether by accident or nurture). Hopefully over time, these are things that become important, not the piece of paper.

I suppose they have to record that the adoption took place somehow, and possibly there is a better way of doing it, but I don't know what it is.

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I guess the important point here is how important a birth certificate is for the child.

As adults who are adopting we want them to be as much ours as possible - and a new birth certificate would help us feel this.

But this would not be whats best for the child.

If you got a new "birth certificate" it would be like hiding their past - and on some level the child we see this as trying to hide part of them.

Thanks all, much appreciated.

Not really M&M tbh very naive.....

As when going for a job interview it brands them immediatly. It is their news, their life to share when they are ready in their own time after trust has been established. First meeting for maybe a one time shot at job of a lifetime, I don't think mine will want that up for debate right then, later once working there obviously it is not a secret... I cannot imagine the pressure of performing at interview... I think it is cruel to perhaps for them to be worrying about it. Just my take.. ? Others won't have to explain stuff... like..... oooh I see you were born in Edinburgh ?

Xx moo xx

The short certificate doesn’t mention adoption. And except for when applying for a passport we have never actually been asked for the long certificate. My little one is only 6 so I appreciate this may change. I don’t actually have a problem that the long certificate says adoption, just not sure that there are many occasions that you would actually have to disclose this, particular as an adult.

Moo

I don't understand your points about it being up for debate, or them being 'branded' or having something extra to worry about at interview

Most large employers now do anonymised recruitment, information such as names,ages, ethnicity is removed until you have selected for interview. ID is not normally asked for until you are offered a job. I've done loads of recruitment, seen a lot of ID

I barely even look at the details beyond confirming the name.

Why do you think they would have to explain anything?

Oohhh must be me then...

Interviews for me in my experience needed a birth certificate plus education certification to be taken to interview.... Mabe this is not so today... phew could be a relief...my day was obviously pre computers etc.... I guess loads of identification & formalities have changed along the way...

As ziggy says it is only stated on the long one not short.. Why the difference I have always thought...

I have honestly always felt since seeing it that it could mean many Q's could be asked that could be anxiety causing in an initial don't know you yet formal situation.. why is it really relivant? Not overly sure!

Quite amazed to hear that interviewees have their ethnicity, age & name removed that seems odd.... just goes to show how very very out of touch I am...

Sorry this is just my take.... to me it does feel a little unnecessary & leaving it open to comment or Q's once spotted....

Xx moo xx

you've spent too long with those cows ???

identifying information is removed to reduce bias in the recruitment process. its been shown for example that if you have an 'ethnic' name, you don't get as many interviews.

If I don't know your age, ethnicity, sex, marital status, I can focus on the application and not be distracted by any unconcious bias.

Even if I knew, I would no more think of asking about someones adoption as I would ask women about childcare or domestic responsibilties. And to be honest, when you are interviewing you have barely enough time to get through the job related stuff never mind asking about irrelevant stuff. Its never crossed my mind that it would be an issue for Simba and as you know we are very open about being adopted.

Yeah totally as you know are we...

Delighted to hear of the new identifying cleanse that really actually helps me loads... & actually makes very good sense. I am remembering very many overtly personal details about motherhood that at the time I accepted, but great to find others are now excused my embarassment....

It is no secret, boys as you know are very aware of all warts'n' all, but I felt if boys have to address it in an already stressful situation it could lead to even more "job seekers anxiety!"

Feeling much better about their chances & interview anxiety xx Thanx ?

??? moo ???