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Children who are both victims and abusers

lilyofthevalley September 4, 2009 12:26
Last night I was visiting my 23 year old daughter at her flat. Her flatmate was out which was nice as we could just have a chat between the two of us. I had just been shopping for dogfood for her two dogs and a carrot for her rat and had brought medication for the old dog from the vet. She was making me a cup of tea and I was watching the evening news on the TV. The news was featuring the case from Doncaster of two young brothers aged about 10 and 11 who have just pleaded guilty in Court to horrendous crimes against other young boys of a similar age or slightly younger. It stated that the boys were in the care of Social Services at the time and had been placed with foster parents although apparently their social worker had wanted them to be placed in secure accommodation. However apparently the social worker had been overruled by managers who did not want to spend the fees involved in a placement in secure accommodation. My daughter came back into the room with my tea and I was telling her about the case. I had said to my daughter that it was clear that the two brothers who had carried out the attacks had had terrible backgrounds and I think that mention had been made of drug abuse in their family background. My daughter then made an astonishing confession to me. I adopted my children 17 years ago when my daughter was aged 6 and her brother was aged 7. They had appalling backgrounds. Both their natural parents had been alcoholics and both had criminal records, their father had died in prison. They had been neglected and abused both while living at home and while in foster care. I subsequently discovered that they suffered from severe A.D.H.D. and Foetal Alcohol Effects. Years later a specialist, paid for by me, also said that he believed that my daughter had been suffering from P.T.S.D. The conditions in the foster home were terrible and the children were left to run wild on the street. They later told me that my son was the leader of a gang of young children who engaged in antisocial behaviour in their neighbourhood, including vandalism, breaking into their primary school and even setting small fires. In the foster home my son was regularly chastised with a belt by the foster father and my daughter was subjected to severe emotional abuse. My daughter was the most disturbed child that I had ever come across and I had specialised for some years in child care. I frankly thought she was unadoptable. I have always believed that, had the children not been adopted by me and if they had remained where they were, they would both have been in secure accommodation by the age of 10. So last night my daughter said to me in relation to the case in Doncaster that, if children have suffered terrible things in their lives, it makes them do terrible things. She told me that before she came to live with me no one had loved her and she had had no control over anything. She then told me about an incident when she had lured (her word) two children slightly younger than herself to waste ground belonging to the school and had locked them in a bunker where they had remained overnight until they were found the next day. She did not physically hurt them but she locked them in and left them there and she then went home for her tea. She told me that it had given her a feeling of control that she was never able to experience. However she was now able to reflect back and regret what she did and realise how awful it would have been for the children and how dire the consequences could have been if the children had not been found. Through all the years of the children living with me I was always failed by CAMHS who never helped us at all and in fact added to our problems. The children never received any therapy. However we have survived. The children still have significant problems but I truly believe that without the love and commitment of an adoptive parent they would have spent their lives in institutions, either prisons or psychiatric hospitals. My daughter''s life has been a roller coaster and we have gone through some very bad times but she has achieved so much. She attended College and obtained a qualification in Social Care. She is working in a nursing home and is devoted to the elderly people she cares for. She looks after her flat, cares for her pets and is being financially responsible. She has a strong bond with and affection for me.
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Shes like the wind September 4, 2009 12:40
Hi Lily it was really nice for you to share this.I think it shows how the impact is on the behaviours they do and how it is caused by the abuse.I often make comments when things like this happen and get funny looks...my comment was 'i wonder what has happened to them to make them do such a thing'. Obviously seems as if being empathic with the 'criminal'.In USA they did a study re criminals and it was found a very high proportion had been victims in one way or other themselves before committing the crime..Sad world we live in..
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Pear Tree September 4, 2009 12:53
Oh lily what an encouraging end to such a hard post.There is such hope for secure and supported children but there are not many who have the levels of sheer bloody minded hanging on ability through all what you have faced.We have been luckier with camhs but the specialist support that Blossom and Partridge are needing has been tooth and nail fight with SS who should have paid for this support from the off.This story in doncaster is so tragic. what these lads did was horrific, I am so sad to read of their dreadful early conditioning- it helps explain why- yes, but of course does not excuse it. The whole scenario is one I cannot bear to read about too much- not least because I know that it could have been my children on either side of it.I am horrified to read of the awful treatment of your 2 in FC. They have done so very well. It gives me such hopethankyou.
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finoni9 September 4, 2009 13:27
During training I did about sexual offenders we were told that all abusers have been abused themselves (altho not always sexually) but not everyone who is abused goes on to abuse.I think these 2 boys in Doncaster hopefully will show the world exactly what neglect and abuse does to children - how attachment to even one person can make such a difference and if they don't get the love and affection of at least one person, they can end up in the sorry state these 2 boys did of hurting others having no empathy themselves, never having been shown it.It may also help social services to get their acts together and remove children much earlier in life so that as much can be done to undo early neglect/abuse as possible! and stop giving birth families too many chances.
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mum.47 September 4, 2009 13:41
Lily your post has made me well up. I am so pleased your daughter has come out the other side.When I saw this story on the news I just thought of my boy and how easily he could have been on either side of this..
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Corkwing September 4, 2009 18:18
Hi, Lily -I wish the "Mother of the Year" awards could feature people like you.You've obviously done a tremendous amount for your daughter.That's not to minimise the difficulties that your daughter had in accepting the help that you were offering, but - as you said - if you hadn't taken her on, the progmosis for her would be terrible.All the best,Corkwing
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Fluffy Cat September 23, 2009 20:17
Thank you for posting this. It is really inspiring. Our two children are very damaged little souls and I sometimes wonder if we will be 'good enough' to heal their hurt, at least to the extent that enables them to live happy, (somewhat!) independant lives. My instincts tell me it can be done, but at what cost to me and hubby (and birth child)? I have had some (very) bad days but then, just when you least expect it, there's a lovely day and it inspires you to go on. I think Pear Tree has hit the nail on the head, sheer bloody mindedness is what's needed! Thanks again for telling your story, it's given me a much needed boost as I am feeling very low today.xx
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Lonsdale September 23, 2009 20:39
it's a bit like the film sliding doors, where you see the path their lives could have taken if you hadn't stepped in. thankfully you not only stepped in but carried on being there, and despite the difficulties have come through the other endall the bestl
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purplesnookum September 27, 2009 20:29
thank you for posting this, every now and then I have a minute where I wonder if I am strong enough to do a good job for the kids we might one day actually have but your post shows the outcome for the child is amazing and I want to be able to do as well as you have.
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tyne October 6, 2009 12:19
Lily, what an amazing girl you have. What trust you must have built with her to enable her to share her pain and shame with you. Your post gives me hope. Sometimes I wish others could see the lovely little boy hidden inside my whirling volcano child. He is kind and thoughtful. He does care but often he gets confused and upset then gets things wrong. I know we have made a huge difference to out AS' lives as you have done with your childrens'. Well done.Best wishesTyne
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gimli October 8, 2009 20:57
wow i found that apowerfull post and your daughter being able to express how it felt all those years ago makes me feel proud of her and i have never met her.bless you
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