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Kazmama September 30, 2014 10:21
Hi, I'm new here and my husband and I are thinking about adoption but we are a little worried about our suitability to adopt, I've read a lot of the information available on a few adoption sites, I think we tick most/every box so to speak but there are some things not covered that I wondered about (and hoped people could advise) before we proceed any further. I am 31 years old, mixed race (black father, white mother) and my husband is 36 and white, we have been married for almost 10 years, we have a 9 year old daughter who is on the autistic spectrum (specifically asperger syndrome). I also have asperger syndrome and my husband has been diagnosed/re-diagnosed with a variety of things ranging from general depression, to bi-polar disorder to personality disorder (they can never quite place his condition). The specialists at the charity who diagnosed our daughter are almost certain he has asperger syndrome too rather then any of the other conditions he has been diagnosed with, but he has no desire to be diagnosed, he accepts who he is, he feels no need for a formal label. He is on medication; sertraline for anxiety and lamotrigine for the bi-polar moods, even though his diagnosis changed he remains on the medication as it has helped significantly with balancing out his low moods (prior to meds he could be depressed for weeks, now it's a few hours / the odd day now and again). The other thing about my husband is that he has a criminal conviction, as most teenagers do he went through a rebellious phase, he ended up with the wrong crowd and was drinking and smoking weed and one day when he was 18 he was stopped by the police searched and they found a pocket knife (his friend had asked him that evening to look after it) and a substantial amount of weed which they did not believe was for his own personal use, as a result he was tried and given community service. He stopped the drugs/drinking and hasn't touched anything since, it was just a stupid thing he did as a teen. Neither of us smoke or drink (at all) we have no desire to, we are very much homebodies as well, preferring to stay in and play games with our little girl then going out somewhere. Although her dance classes mean we do have to go out quite a lot and she acts/has an agent so we make trips to film/take her to auditions. The reason we have come to adoption as the solution to expanding our family is due to a number of reasons. Before having kids we always talked about adoption and that should we have any issues conceiving we would not go for fertility treatment but straight to adoption. Our daughter's birth was quite traumatic and so we decided back then if we wanted more we would adopt. As our daughter grew older we were 50/50 with adopting or having another naturally. We decided to go natural and after years of no success (when our daughter was conceived first try) after a few tests I found out I have Polycystic ovary syndrome and have been on the medication Metformin for almost 2 years now again without any success. Our daughter is an aspiring actress and played the role of a foster child in our local authority's new fostering campaign advert which again brought the idea of adoption up. We are now faced with 2 options we could continue with more tests and maybe fertility treatments or adoption and we both feel giving a child who needs it a loving home is the preferable option, the desire for another child for both of us is not dependant on it being biologically related to us. We are both in agreement that we would be willing to adopt a child from any ethnic background and one with asperger syndrome would also fit into our lives due to us already having a child on the spectrum. We feel we would make very good adoptive parents, neither of us work at the moment due to our conditions but we keep busy with voluntary jobs. For example my husband teaches aikido (martial art) to both adults and children 3 times a week, he has in the past also taught it at our daughter's school, he has spent a year reading with the children in school and attends all school trips chaperoning a group of children. I have in the past been on our local playgroup's committee helping them fundraise, I currently help out as much as possible at my daughter's dance school and also regularly take uni courses ranging from psychology and web design through to photography. I've read about the difference in parenting an adopted child versus a birth child and again I feel we are able to do this due to already parenting our daughter differently due to her ASD. We have never had need to use a naughty step or reward charts etc, we have always used positive re-enforcement and choice with her behaviour, making it clear to her what is acceptable behaviour and what is not. We may just be lucky and have a very well behaved child anyway but she is never badly behaved (occasionally cheeky as all kids are) but everyone always comments on how well behaved she is. We are also use to advocating for our daughter, we have had some struggles with getting her assessed properly but we never gave up and eventually she was diagnosed and with the right support in place at school she has virtually no problems (still a little behind in maths but she is catching up). She's also had medical issues in the past that have been very hard to cope with but we worked through it and were actually commended by her paediatrician on how quickly she recovered. She had a chronic bowel condition and was on quite strong medication to try and keep her regular but it was a never ending cycle of her holding on because it hurt and it hurting because she held on so long but as I said rather then it taking years to break the cycle it took us around a year, so that by the time she started school she was almost 100% better (she had a few lapses over the years but we have kept on top of keeping her regular). Her other medical issue is with her kidneys, she has a lot of scarring on her kidneys which the urologists still don't know what caused it (they suspect it may be from when she had the bowel problems) she developed a severe phobia to the scans etc she needs to have and again it took us months of positive re-enforcement, patience and trying again and again(after CAMHS therapist said she couldn't help her, her fear was "too complex") to have the procedures done (we even shelled out for a hypnotist to try and help her) and again fingers crossed she has no more scarring and they are happy to scan her every 6 months just to check everything is okay (she also has a low dose anti biotic everyday). I'm sorry if that was rather long, I just wanted to give you as detailed info about us as possible, I just want to know if there is too much negative against us to even be considered (the mental health situation/meds/past conviction/the autism etc) or if any adopters have/are in a similar situation.
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tsmum September 30, 2014 12:03
I can only share my experiences with you but I don't think it could be ruled out. Firstly the criminal record should not be anything to worry about. These things happen in people's teenage years and obviously things have changed a lot since then. There is no right or wrong person to adopt. It is about learning about yourself and what you can offer and what your weak points are. I adopted as a single person a four year old boy and it turned out to be a harrowing experience. He is now 18 and I can't say things have started to go well yet. However, that is my experience. What you need to be is completely honest with yourself. What can you cope with? What would you allow your daughter to put up with? I think the fundamental issue is you are a family with a birth child. How you parent her, how she copes with life, sharing, etc is important. The lengths you have gone to support and advocate for her stands you in good stead. I have been a constant advocate for my son battling for every little scrap of support. But a child with early trauma may/can be difficult to parent. They can act out or totally disassociate themselves, both are their survival methods they learned early on and are unable to let go of. How do you react if your daughter is 'ungrateful' for example. This is a biggie for me as no matter what I did for my son, he was never grateful. Why should he be? But when it is relentless it can be so disheartening and frustrating. He never seemed to learn from mistakes, possibly an executive functioning problem, possibly because he was not going to let go of his survival techniques whatever the cost. We had some good days but looking back it has been a thankless task. I love him but often I've not liked him that much. The most important thing for me is the sheer exhaustion and stress I have felt leading to panic attacks. This was not me before. I had suffered mild depression but nothing like this. No one wants to put people off, they just want to lay it out in front of you and ask you, how do you think you would cope in that situation. Of course, everyone's experience is different, but I have found most children have some extra needs as a result of their early trauma and losses and it is not easy to undo. Hope that gives some food for thought.
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Pear Tree September 30, 2014 12:39
If you're serious about going ahead with adoption I would look to going with a voluntary agency like barnardos as they are much more likely to look at your list of positives and then address the challenges along the way- looking at your offer in "the round." You are offering several positives But the real understanding coming from these boards is about whether you can offer consistency and specialist parenting for a child who hurts. So have a think about how you could evidence that. We have a mix of health issues in our family, I'm disabled and mr pt has had mh issues Both of which have been made worse by the extremes of living with adoptees who suffered trauma in their early years. Give it a Try. You know it's going to be hard but it's not necessarily a NO from the off
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Donatella September 30, 2014 14:43
I have a 10 year old son who was dx Asd last year - he's an aspie with adhd and hugely tricky to parent. My 8 year old daughter was also dx Asd last year - she's HFA. Parenting two children who are on the spectrum, at different points, is really, really hard going because what works for one does not work for the other. I have three children and all require different parenting. My two ASD kids can get along well. Or not. And frankly it can be very stressful managing their needs. And the likelihood is that any adopted child is very likely to have some issues whether that's attachment, trauma, adhd, Asd, fasd, fae etc. Parenting one with a dx is hard. Parenting two is more than doubly hard, more than double the stress. And even when you think you've been there, done that ...... it's not the same for the next child and can, and does, place a huge strain on family life. So I'd bear that in mind.
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tsmum September 30, 2014 16:07
You sound like a wonderful mum and I don't think anyone here wants to put you off at all. What the concern is among adopters who have had a rough ride, in terms of lack of preparation, lack of support etc, is that new adopters go into it with their eyes open. I can describe some of my son's behaviours (soiling, stealing, lying, hoarding food, violence, destruction, running away etc) but that may not be others experience or it may not be yours. If I could go back I would read Dan Hughes, Bruce Perry, Bryan Post, Heather Forbes, Greg Keck. You can find their web pages and get useful information, if someone has a style you like then buy the book, or if you are a member of Adoption UK borrow it from the library. YouTube is also a great source if inspiration and knowledge, but try to stick to the main guys who get it and not to regular parenting gurus who don't understand early developmental trauma issues.
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ALIBOB September 30, 2014 16:19
Hi, we have a BS who has very complex medical needs as well as ASD.I have had MH problems and hubby has a criminal record in his teens. Our LA did not want to know but our VA have been fab. They will did deep about hubby's past and MH problems but if you can answer the million and one questions they ask you should been fine. We have had our adoptive daughter home 3 and a half months now. I have a agree with Donatella about willing to adopt an other child on the spectrum, this would be really really hard work. When we went through what we could and couldn't handle we said no to ASD as they could be the complete opposite. We have had to do a lot of prep work with our BS before placement and we still do. I would also say the bigger the age gap the better. Our son is 13 and our daughter is 2. Our VA did concentrate more on our positives, such as parenting different, advocating for our child, dealing with outside agencies, such as consultants, OT, physiotherapy and CAMHS and dealing honestly and openly with our son about his medical condition.
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Donatella September 30, 2014 16:36
But also bear in mind that the younger they are the bigger chance you take in some ways. All of mine were easy to place babies, all meeting milestones. My son and daughter - not birth sibs - weren't dx ASD until 9 and 7 respectively.
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Kazmama October 7, 2014 11:57
Just to update, spoken to our local VA (who work for/with the LA, not sure how it works as LA has the VA on their website as their official chanel to go via), we were told no they would not consider us suitable adoptive parents. We have too many vunerabilities to look after an adopted child, this they concluded from my email (basically what I wrote in my first post). The emphasis seemed to be on my daughter and I having ASD and my husband's changing diagnosis, I explained that they never settle on anything because he has clinical signs of one thing but not all of them so they can never be certain of his official label and I also explained again that the specialists at the charity who diagnosed our daughter believe he has asperger syndrome too and that explains it all including the mis-diagnosing/re-diagnosing etc. I'm going to contact a VA in a neighbouring area and see what they say but it looks like we might be at the end of the road already.
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Pretzel October 7, 2014 20:28
Hello Kazmama, have you considered asking an ASD charity for advice? You won't be the first on the spectrum to enquire about adopting. I suspect the ambiguity about your partner's condition is the tipping point for agencies (re: risk). Perhaps consider how you promote yourselves... E.g. Talk about how you manage the ASD or the depression, rather than just the vulnerabilities.
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Kazmama October 8, 2014 11:43
I volunteer for a local ASD charity and I'm quite friendly with the owner of the charity so I'll get her input, thanks for the suggestion x I did mention he is signed off from the mental health team, they are happy that he's on the right medication etc and don't seem to think a diagnosis is absolutely vital but we may have to look into an ASD assessment with the autism charity for him, see if they are right that he is likely an aspie too and then see whether a confirmed diagnosis makes a difference.
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ALIBOB October 8, 2014 15:34
I remember a gentleman on our preb group who had a diagnosis of aspergers so I wouldn't give up just yet. Our son had ASD, learning difficulties and a very complex medical condition and we was approved and now have our DD. They did ask lost of questions about how we would be able to meet our son's needs as a adopted child. We have a fantastic support network and have done lots of research into adoption.
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