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Why sticker/reward charts don't work - good, succinct resource?

Lilythepink January 14, 2019 12:56
Hi Can anyone point me at a good, succinct resource which specifically says why "sticker charts/reward charts" don't work. It's to make a point with an over-enthusiastic "Behaviour Lead" who doesn't know as much as they think they do. I have longer form resources to (re)acquaint them with (e.g. PAC guide for schools) but could do with something succinct to undermine this latest wheeze. Otherwise, you may hear that I've had to give a practical demonstration - talking to the "behaviour lead" about her own behaviour and bad choices in implementing un-sound strategies which are contrary to the school's self image as adoption-friendly, undermining her belief as having a professional standing and good relationship with parents, patronising her into a little ball of shame and fury until I can finally say "You feel shit don't you? So stop doing this". That kind of thing. I'm joking. But only just. Thanks very much. (Longer story: school have had lots of attachment/trauma training, have new attachment friendly behaviour policies -supposedly, we've been working with them for years, but it takes a while it seems for this to filter through to the person in charge of wading in when any child is "disruptive" and of course it undermines everything else)
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rhubarbfool January 14, 2019 21:05
I'm not sure that this is succinct but it is the clearest that I've found. Perhaps you can put the school on the sun if they read all of PAC education docs. https://gobbelcounseling.files.wordpress.com/2015/04/a-trauma-informed-approach-to-behaviors-in-the-classroom.pdf or suggest the next strategy http://www.progressivepreceptors.com/blog/rip-those-behavior-charts-off-of-the-wall-and-burn-them
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Larsti January 14, 2019 23:44
I feel your pain Lilythepink and can only imagine your child's pain :-( And rhubarbfool, thank you so much for those resources.
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pingu123 January 14, 2019 23:49
Anyone got anything similar for secondary school teachers ? Not about stickers but no tolerance policies that equally don't work very often for our kids. As I said elsewhere, my ds2 is just in the middle of prelims, vastly stressed. Persistant talking in French today , probably partly nervousness , in a subject he feels so bad at he has pretty much given up home study to concentrate on the subjects he feels he has a better chance of passing( seems sensible to me), he was working in class , but also talking, probably distracting others who also need to concentrate on exam prep so I do get their concern) but now he's got a detention having got annoyed that he was accused of not working. Ds2 has a long running low grade relationship issue with this teacher who keeps pushing him to work harder and telling him if he doesn't he will fail. Could they not have cut some slack in an exam week ? Sent him to calm down by working in the library or similar? No, the year teacher HAS to back the teacher's authority. The only teacher my son has who didn't reply to my suggestions of how to get my son on board again, using an approach that has succeeded for other teachers, and the year head is one of those yes who thinks my son just needs to learn about real life" outside school. Sure, he's already done that at less than age 5 thanks . Just letting off steam as I am angry. I normally support the school but at such a time this just seems unnecessary. Sorry to but in on your post. If mods want to move my post to the GCSEs thread it probably belongs there....
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Lilythepink January 15, 2019 17:14
Adoption UK Skip Content Forums▹Education▹Why sticker/reward charts don't work - good, succinct resource? Why sticker/reward charts don't work - good, succinct resource? Submitted by Lilythepink on Mon, Just briefly as very little time. Rhubarbfool: Thanks very much for resources, I will peruse. Larsti: Thanks. It's tiring having to "manage" teachers on top of your day job and parenting. I hope I can get the balance right between building a relationship with this latest one and bursting her bubble/getting across to her that she's undermining the (very good) trauma-informed new way the school have of managing behaviour. pingu123: you go ahead and vent. Sorry I don't have time to suggest anything right now but will come back. I found this through googling yesterday - it reminded me that teachers (like all of us) are quite attached to their professional authority and it takes quite a bit of humility and support to let go of the way they have always done things. https://www.adoptionrootsandwings.com/?p=278&fbclid=IwAR2L1_tNvi_8VQV3vO...
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Lilythepink January 15, 2019 19:16
Ignore the gobbledygook - copy/paste error. That first link was very useful, thanks so much Rhubarbfool
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nereid January 18, 2019 22:32
Hi, I understand your frustration! There's a new behavioural policy currently being implemented at DS's school which is totally at odds with an adoption friendly approach. To answer your question, I love the Conscious discipline stuff; for me this really combines the mindful/ neuroscience/ trauma sensitive approach I wish all schools would adopt. You can access a lot of their resources for free by signing up. They have a lot of online videos which I have found really useful (and inspiring) so far. And amazingly enough there are apparently three outstanding schools in Cheshire who do follow this approach - who knew? They have a safe base in each classroom and the teachers work with the whole class to develop self-regulation strategies. They emphasise connection, reflection and personal responsibility and I was totally surprised that I'd never some across this approach before. I'm pretty sure it was never mentioned in the AUK conference on education. Becky Bailey the US author who wrote 'The I love you rituals' runs the site and has developed the approach. Sadly, I discovered Conscious Discipline just as DS's school started moving in the opposite direction, implementing their new (zero tolerance) policy. I also have really tried to explain things to school (every year). He's now in year 4. And while sometimes we have 'seemed' to be on the same page, the reality for my son is somewhat different - especially now. Anyway I would check out the Conscious Discipline website. While it doesn't deal so much with sticker charts ( although I am only just new to it so there may be something) it does explain beautifully why punishments don't work. Hope it goes well with school.
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pingu123 January 19, 2019 09:39
Thanks Lilythepink , that link was very helpful to me. We have parent night next week so I am hoping to insert a few suggestions ! Nereid, do you have a link for Consciuos Discipline. Also, does anyone know if there is a transcript available for the AUK talk on Education?
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nereid January 19, 2019 13:02
Hi Lilythepink, Here's the link to the conscious discipline website : https://consciousdiscipline.com/ I'm hoping this will work as a link when I post it. Otherwise you can just copy it into google. I think you could check out Stuart Guest blog - may be useful ? https://educationandadoption.wordpress.com/ Plus Beacon House https://beaconhouse.org.uk/useful-resources/ Hope the parent's night goes well next week.
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